{"id":15853,"date":"2018-12-15T20:00:52","date_gmt":"2018-12-15T20:00:52","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/?p=15853"},"modified":"2022-02-15T00:21:51","modified_gmt":"2022-02-15T00:21:51","slug":"how-i-solved-it-brick-wall-post-5-william-gillen-1782-1841","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/how-i-solved-it-brick-wall-post-5-william-gillen-1782-1841\/","title":{"rendered":"How I Solved It: Brick Wall Post #5\u2013William Gillen 1782-1841"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Guest blogger Diane Gould Hall&#8217;s 4x Great Grandfather William Gillen (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.michiganfamilytrails.com\">Michigan Family Trails<\/a>) was born in the last years of the Revolutionary War. As we transitioned from colonies to country, our record-keeping also shifted. Here&#8217;s what Diane has done so far in her ongoing quest to cross that generation and find William&#8217;s parents. Any other ideas for her?<\/p>\n<p>________________________<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright wp-image-15864\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/Green-Tree-with-William-Gillen_thumb8-300x258.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"200\" height=\"172\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/Green-Tree-with-William-Gillen_thumb8-300x258.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/Green-Tree-with-William-Gillen_thumb8.jpg 458w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 200px) 100vw, 200px\" \/>Today\u2019s brick wall post is about my maternal 4th Great Grandfather, William GILLEN.<\/p>\n<p>I began researching William Gillen over 10 years ago. While I have found quite a few pieces of information about him, I have yet to locate his parents or siblings. Two other family members, who are genealogists, have also searched diligently for William\u2019s origins. Some of the information I have, has come from my cousin Amy and my brother John.<\/p>\n<p>BIO SKETCH OF WILLIAM GILLEN<br \/>\nBorn \u2013 17 Oct 1782 in Mifflin Co., Pennsylvania<br \/>\nAge 21 &#8211; Marriage \u2013 to Rachel FRAMPTON (1781-1855) on 28 Feb 1803 or 1804<br \/>\nAge 22 \u2013 Birth of son #1, John Gillen, 17 Oct 1804<br \/>\nAge 23 \u2013 Birth of daughter #1, Ann Gillen, 30 Oct 1806<br \/>\nAge 25 \u2013 Birth of daughter #2, Sarah Gillen, 12 Oct 1808<br \/>\nAge 27 \u2013 Birth of daughter #3, Emily Gillen, 8 Aug 1810<br \/>\nAge 28 \u2013 Birth of son #2, Martin Gillen, about 12 Jun 1811<br \/>\nAge 36 \u2013 Birth of daughter #4, Mary Jane Gillen, 5 Jun 1819<br \/>\nAge 28-38 \u2013 Moved his family from Pennsylvania to Ohio<br \/>\nAge 39 \u2013 Birth of son #3, Elijah Fisher Gillen, 21 Aug 1822<br \/>\nAge 40 \u2013 Birth of son #4, Isaac Fisher Gillen, May 1823<br \/>\nAge 58 \u2013 Died on 27 May 1841, probably in Lawrence Co., Ohio<br \/>\nOccupation \u2013 Teacher<\/p>\n<p>NOTE: As I wrote the information above I notice there is an 8 year gap between the birth of son #2, Martin Gillen in 1811 and daughter #4 in 1819. It\u2019s always suspicious when there is that big a span of years between the birth of children back in those years. We know from history that children were generally born every couple of years.<br \/>\nAre there other children? If so, did they die at birth or as infants?<br \/>\nIs there a record of other children born to this couple?<br \/>\nFamily View for William &amp; Rachel Gillen (from Legacy 8)<\/p>\n<p>(Click on any image to enlarge it)<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/Gillen_Wmfamilyview_thumb2.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-15858 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/Gillen_Wmfamilyview_thumb2.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"372\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/Gillen_Wmfamilyview_thumb2.jpg 800w, https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/Gillen_Wmfamilyview_thumb2-300x140.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/Gillen_Wmfamilyview_thumb2-768x357.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>William Gillen is mentioned in several published books.&nbsp; Please see the sources listed at the end of this post.<\/p>\n<p>William Gillen\u2019s wife was Rachel Frampton.&nbsp; The Frampton family were well known in Pennsylvania.&nbsp; And Rachel\u2019s mother, Anna Barbara Martin\u2019s father, Johann Everhard Martin was an early settler in Pennsylvania.&nbsp; There is a book called The Frampton Family by J.S. Wrightnour, D.D.&nbsp; Mention is made on page 96 of Rachel &amp; William Gillen as follows:&nbsp;\u201c\u2026Rachel Frampton was born November 11th, 1781.&nbsp; She was married to William Gillen, February 1803.\u201d&nbsp;&nbsp;No further mention of this couple is found in this book.<\/p>\n<p>Here is the only online record I have located for the marriage.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/GILLEN_William-FRAMPTON_Rachel_marriage-1803_thumb3-1.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-15865\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/GILLEN_William-FRAMPTON_Rachel_marriage-1803_thumb3-1-300x192.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"600\" height=\"385\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/GILLEN_William-FRAMPTON_Rachel_marriage-1803_thumb3-1-300x192.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/GILLEN_William-FRAMPTON_Rachel_marriage-1803_thumb3-1-768x492.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/GILLEN_William-FRAMPTON_Rachel_marriage-1803_thumb3-1.jpg 800w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><b>Individual View for William Gillen (from Legacy 8)<\/b><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/Gillen_Wm-Indview.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-15868 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/Gillen_Wm-Indview.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"388\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/Gillen_Wm-Indview.jpg 800w, https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/Gillen_Wm-Indview-300x146.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/Gillen_Wm-Indview-768x372.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>As you can see from the Event section of the Individual Information in the image above, I have located William Gillen in several census records:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><b>1810<\/b>&nbsp;\u2013 New Sewickey, Beaver, Pennsylvania (name is listed as Gilland, but ages fit with family)<\/li>\n<li><b>1820<\/b>&nbsp;\u2013 Fayette, Lawrence, Ohio<\/li>\n<li><b>1830<\/b>&nbsp;\u2013 Union, Lawrence, Ohio<\/li>\n<li><b>1840<\/b>&nbsp;\u2013 Union, Lawrence, Ohio<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Other mentions of William Gillen.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/GILLEN_History-of-Ohio-Vol-1-1925_page-624.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-15854 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/GILLEN_History-of-Ohio-Vol-1-1925_page-624.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"569\" height=\"768\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/GILLEN_History-of-Ohio-Vol-1-1925_page-624.jpg 569w, https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/GILLEN_History-of-Ohio-Vol-1-1925_page-624-222x300.jpg 222w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 569px) 100vw, 569px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Below are two mentions of William Gillen in the first volume of History of Lawrence County, Ohio, pages 3 &amp; 18.<br \/>\nThe first is reference to him being the first teacher in Aid Township.&nbsp; The second is a reference to him being a charter member of the Ice Creek Baptist Church.<br \/>\n<b>QUESTION:<\/b>&nbsp; He was mentioned as a Methodist Episcopal in the Western Christian Advocate.&nbsp; Did he change religions or simply begin attending another church?<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/IMG_15724.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-15862\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/IMG_15724.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"207\" height=\"400\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/IMG_15724.jpg 235w, https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/IMG_15724-155x300.jpg 155w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 207px) 100vw, 207px\" \/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/IMG_15735.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-15863\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/IMG_15735.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"261\" height=\"400\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/IMG_15735.jpg 263w, https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/IMG_15735-196x300.jpg 196w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 261px) 100vw, 261px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>All records indicate that William Gillen died 27 May 1841, probably in Lawrence Co., Ohio.<\/p>\n<p>Here is an obituary I\u2019ve located for William Gillen.&nbsp; This obituary was published in the Western Christian Advocate on 6 Aug 1841.&nbsp; Unfortunately, there is no mention of William\u2019s parents.&nbsp; However, it is certainly nice to have some of these dates &amp; places to help confirm or negate information from other sources.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-15857 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/Gillen_William_Obit_184113.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"339\" height=\"768\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/Gillen_William_Obit_184113.jpg 339w, https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/Gillen_William_Obit_184113-132x300.jpg 132w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 339px) 100vw, 339px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Here is the headstone photographed by my cousin Amy.&nbsp; William is buried at Burlington Green Lawn Cemetery, Fayette, Lawrence, Ohio.&nbsp; You can see his memorial on FindAGrave here #<a href=\"http:\/\/www.findagrave.com\/cgi-bin\/fg.cgi?page=gr&amp;GRid=66551832\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">66551832<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-medium wp-image-15856\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/GILLEN_William_headstone_1782-1841_BurlingtonGreenLawnCem_FayetteLawrenceOhio4-207x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"207\" height=\"300\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/GILLEN_William_headstone_1782-1841_BurlingtonGreenLawnCem_FayetteLawrenceOhio4-207x300.jpg 207w, https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/GILLEN_William_headstone_1782-1841_BurlingtonGreenLawnCem_FayetteLawrenceOhio4.jpg 345w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 207px) 100vw, 207px\" \/><\/p>\n<p>Reference to Gillen\u2019s buried in Lawrence County, Ohio can be found on this website.&nbsp; I have extracted the two pages referencing Gillen burials.&nbsp; William is listed on the second page shown here.&nbsp; Unfortunately, the link I have for these cemetery records is from 2009 and is no longer active.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/GILLENs-Buried-in-Lawrence-County-Ohio-66.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-15859\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/GILLENs-Buried-in-Lawrence-County-Ohio-66-232x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"347\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/GILLENs-Buried-in-Lawrence-County-Ohio-66-232x300.jpg 232w, https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/GILLENs-Buried-in-Lawrence-County-Ohio-66.jpg 593w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 347px) 100vw, 347px\" \/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/GILLENs-Buried-in-Lawrence-County-Ohio-76.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone wp-image-15860\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/GILLENs-Buried-in-Lawrence-County-Ohio-76-232x300.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"347\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/GILLENs-Buried-in-Lawrence-County-Ohio-76-232x300.jpg 232w, https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/GILLENs-Buried-in-Lawrence-County-Ohio-76.jpg 593w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 347px) 100vw, 347px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">A year or so ago, asked a genealogist from the Mifflin County, Pennsylvania Society to research William Gillen.&nbsp; She found no mention of him anywhere.&nbsp; Perhaps I need to look in Juniata County or Centre County or elsewhere?<\/span><br style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><br style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">1.&nbsp; What have I missed?<\/span><br style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">2.&nbsp; Where else should Iook?<\/span><br style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">3.&nbsp; Are you related to the Frampton or Gillen family mentioned here?&nbsp; If so, please contact me.<\/span><br style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><br style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><em style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><strong>PUBLISHED SOURCES:<\/strong><\/em><br style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><em style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Western Christian Advocate, 6 Aug 1841<\/em><br style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><em style=\"font-weight: 400;\">History of Lawrence Co., Ohio 1990, pg 3 &amp; 18<\/em><br style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><em style=\"font-weight: 400;\">History of Lawrence Co., Ohio, 2003 Edition, Vol 2, pg. 62<\/em><br style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><em style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Frampton Family by J.S. Wrightnour, pg. 96<\/em><br style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><br style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><strong>OTHER POSTS THAT MAY BE OF INTEREST<\/strong><\/span><br style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.michiganfamilytrails.com\/2013\/10\/amanuensis-monday-transcription-of-land.html\">Amanuensis Monday &#8211; William Penn Document (involving William Frampton)<\/a><\/span><br style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.michiganfamilytrails.com\/2014\/06\/church-records-how-they-can-help-you.html\">CHURCH RECORDS &#8211; How They Can Help You With Your Research<\/a><\/span><br style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><br style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Happy hunting,<\/span><br style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><br style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><\/p>\n<p style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Michigan Girl<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>*******************************************************<\/p>\n<p>You can read Diane&#8217;s original post, with comments, at&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.michiganfamilytrails.com\/2015\/07\/mystery-mondaywhos-your-daddy-brick.html\">http:\/\/www.michiganfamilytrails.com\/2015\/07\/mystery-mondaywhos-your-daddy-brick.html.<\/a><\/p>\n<p>If you have ideas or stories to share in our \u201cHow I Solved It\u201d series, please let us know!<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Guest blogger Diane Gould Hall&#8217;s 4x Great Grandfather William Gillen (Michigan Family Trails) was born in the last years of the Revolutionary War. As we transitioned from colonies to country, our record-keeping also shifted. Here&#8217;s what Diane has done so far in her ongoing quest to cross that generation and find William&#8217;s parents. Any other&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":26,"featured_media":15869,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[25,12],"tags":[],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/12\/william-gillen-cover-image.jpg","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/15853"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/26"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=15853"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/15853\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":16035,"href":"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/15853\/revisions\/16035"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/15869"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=15853"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=15853"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.rootsfinder.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=15853"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}